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This is going to be a long blog post so grab a cuppa and settle  in.

If you’re a follower of our Facebook page or Twitter feed (give us like or a follow if you haven’t already) then you’re probably already aware of the outcome of the Thurlow Hunt trial.

If not then very briefly the hunt chased and killed a fox in Trundley Wood near Great Thurlow, Suffolk, on Boxing Day 2017. We were present when they did this and supplied the footage and statements which led to the conviction of the now retired Huntsman, Chris Amatt for hunting a wild mammal with dogs in contravention of Section 1 of the Hunting Act and Common Assault against myself as I retrieved the body of the fox.

The second defendant, Archie Clifton-Brown was found not guilty of the Hunting Act offence but guilty of Assault by Beating, once again, against me for retrieving the body of the fox.

The trial was held at Ipswich Crown Court but was a Magistrates listing. District Judge Nick Watson was presiding over the matter and the case lasted 3 days.

I have a whole load of notes from the day but for the purpose of this blog I’ll try and highlight the most salient points and those which piqued my interest in one way or another.

I was actually first on the witness stand to give evidence, we were informed that each witness would take approximately 30 minutes to cross examine. An hour and half later I’m still on the stand, effectively getting tag teamed by 2 defence barristers who were doing their upmost to discredit my testimony and catch me out. They main problem they had of course is than when you have truth on your side you just have to take a deep breath, consider your answer and stick to the basics. They also had the issue in that I have a fair amount of hunting experience and this isn’t my first time on the stand. Some of the suggestions they made in defence of their clients ranged from the laughable and sinister to downright odd and irrelevant. They even asked me who trained me and how many paid members there were of the HSA! What that had to do with the case I’ll never know. The judge was clearly getting tired with their constant harassment and stepped in, forcing them to finally cease their questioning.

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Archie Clifton-Brown. He wasn’t smiling when he left court.

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Chris Amatt – Thurlow Huntsman in 2017

Our second witness was not only our most experienced sab but also an experienced horsewoman. This completely flummoxed the defence, her confidence in her knowledge of both hunting and riding was something they really struggled to deal with, it was a master class in the delivery of court evidence and the 2 (no doubt very expensive) defence advocates were quite frankly left floundering.

All of the remaining witnesses for the prosecution came across as both honest and credible regardless of their experience and how nervous they would obviously be in such a stressful situation. We are all professional people and hardly the swampy-esque, work shy, soap dodging terrorists the so-called Countryside Alliance attempt to paint us as.

When huntsman Chris Amatt took the stand it was time to really see what their main play was. It can be simply summed with the list below.

1 – The hounds accidentally got on the scent of a fox.

2 – The hunt staff made attempts to stop them but claimed once they were on a fox nothing could stop them apart from getting in front.

3 – There were over 20 sabs in the wood, arranged in a horseshoe shape who turned the fox back into the hounds as it ran north up the track in wood.

4 –  Sabs kicked and punched hounds and twisted the skin of the horses.

5 – Sabs tried to steal hounds.

6 – The fox, once dead was the property of the estate so it was justified to used force to prevent sabs from removing the body. Such an act was to be considered public spirited (really, that’s no joke).

7 – A sab from North Cambs is very tall (again, no joke)

8 – The hunting on calls were in fact Amatt making calls to stop the hounds

9 – Clifton-Brown wasn’t the Whipper In.

10 – Older hounds know the difference between a laid trail and a real animal and will know something is wrong (clever hounds those).

11 – Horn calls are for the benefit of the other riders and not really for any hound control.

Now the main problem with all of these claims are that they are complete nonsense, easily countered by both our statements and the very detailed videos we provided as evidence. The excellent prosecutor Richard Kelly had an absolute field day with Amatt, skillfully pointing out all in inconsistencies in his argument when compared to his statement. Quite frankly it was like watching a car crash in slow motion and to be honest quite uncomfortable viewing. Amatt started off looking fairly calm, but by the end he was clearly very rattled, red faced and losing his cool. A highlight of Amatts testimony was claiming I came at him like a “Red Indian”. Not really sure what that means, maybe I had a feather stuck in my hair?

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Picture of me in sabbing attire. Actually Red Cloud, Lakota chief (1822 – 1909)

If we thought that was bad on day 3 Clifton-Brown took the stand. Now what we have here is a very, and I mean very self entitled young man. He is part of the Vestey Family with cousin Robin Vestey as Master and owner of the hunt, the Thurlow Estate and a whole host besides (some background here) and his uncle is pro hunting and shooting MP Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown. His behaviour on the stand was nothing less than arrogant and dismissive of the whole legal process. You could tell he honestly believed this was below him and he didn’t have to answer the questions put to him, he became highly animated, slapping his hands on the stand, refusing to answer questions and even arguing with the judge! Now I’m not sure what legal advice he had been given but just being compliant with the court and respectful of the process would have been a start, and all this from someone who is only in his early 20’s.

The defence called more witnesses including Robin Vestey, who they claimed was laying the trails on the day and also another Whipper In, William Burton. Here was a man with a very obvious dislike for anyone who didn’t agree with fox hunting. Now there was some fairly fruity language exchanged by both side during the incident but if you’re going to live in a glass house you shouldn’t really start throwing stones. Burton claimed they had used no such fowl and threatening language which was beautifully put to bed by Prosecutor Kelly playing the video where Burton shouted “Who do you think you are you little shit?” in my direction and the now quite famous line “Get it off him Archie” when referring to the dead fox.

With regards to the list earlier in this piece, this was in fact the reality as the judge saw it.

1 – The hounds got on the scent of a fox as they were in a wooded area likely to hold that animal and were there due to the huntsman taking them there.

2 – The hunt staff made no attempt to stop the hounds, their inaction was a clear indication this was, in fact, what they wanted to happen. It should also be considered that a huntsman with the experience of Amatt (29 years) should be able to easily control the hounds. He made constant references to being tuned into them and them to him. There were no voice or horn calls, no cracking of the whip.

3 – When the incident took place there were 3 of us directly involved positioned some distance to the north of where they were hunting. 2 more from our group were some distance behind and sabs from North Cambs were again some distance away to the east and arrived after the fox was killed. The total was 8 with a couple more arriving later. At no point did the fox turn north into us, the hounds hunted it southwards where it turned east across in front of us, most likely turned by Amatt himself.

4 – No evidence for this at all, in fact as vegans and lovers of all animals this goes directly against everything we stand for.

5 – Again no evidence of this either. It relates to a hound which became lost and was running through the village. We actually have footage of this as well along with Vestey on his quad looking at it and wondering what to do.

6 – This was a technicality the defence had cooked up in an effort to justify the use of force against me to recover the body of the fox as evidence. It was likened to someone smashing a glass in the face of another person in a pub. The landlord, who was friends with the assaulter could then claim as the glass belonged to him he could assault who he liked to retrieve it. They spent a long time pushing this but it ultimately failed as a gambit.

7 – Apparently being tall is bad. Clifton-Brown is a short lad and it was claimed he was intimidated by the tall sab. I find it amusing they didn’t compare Clifton-Brown with me as we’re much closer in height stakes.

8 – It is very clear in the video you can hear the classic hunting on calls of “On On On Come ooon” . The defence attempted to say this was Amatt attempting to call the hounds off and was in fact saying “come along, come along”. No huntsman would ever use those words and it must have been an embarrassment to even suggest this.

9 – Clifton-Brown was dressed in classic whipper in hunting attire. He wore a red coat, with pin and 5 buttons. He carried a whip which he claimed he couldn’t use although as a master and huntsman with a beagle pack this was clearly another lie. The judge in summing up noted that while it was clear Clifton-Brown had a much more important role in the hunting than was claimed there wasn’t enough proof to convict him on the Hunting Act offences.

10 – Hunting hounds aren’t the brightest of animals, they are bread for speed and stamina and for a single purpose. To suggest some hounds know the difference between a laid trail and when they are on the scent of a real fox is utterly laughable especially when you consider the hunt claimed to be using fox urine as a scent. This claim also seems to defeat the purpose of trail hunting.

11 – Now I’m sure there are other hunters reading this as I know they do but really, horn calls aren’t really anything to do with hound control? Why is it they all the hounds come running to the sound of it. Why is there a whole host of various calls in which the huntsman will use to calls the hounds? What complete and utter guff. They took us and the judge for fools and they paid the price.

In summing up the judge saw all the prosecution witnesses as honest and credible while he went on to describe the evidence supplied by the defence as “fanciful” and a clear fabrication in order to cover for their crimes.

Obviously all of those involved (from our side) are overjoyed at the result despite the rather pathetic sentences handed out. It should be noted that this wasn’t the fault of the judge as he can only sentence within the guidelines of the crimes committed.

Obviously CA head bumpkin Dim Tim Bonner had to make a statement and as usual was completely clueless.

“This is a disappointing judgment. This incident happened on Boxing Day 2017, the most popular day in the trail hunting calendar, when the Thurlow hunt was being followed by hundreds of supporters as well as dozens of masked animal rights activists. The idea that anyone would attempt to deliberately hunt a fox in such circumstances is quite bizarre.”

See the problem with Timmy’s quote is there were virtually no followers of the hunt, certainly not where the incident took place and there wasn’t even a huge riding field and none of us were wearing masks. And lets face it, most hunts deliberately hunt foxes all the time, why should boxing day be any different?

Finally a thank you to Sergeant Brian Calver of Suffolk Police’s rural team for the robust investigation. You can read their full statement here.

Full video below. (If the video isn’t showing on your device it can be viewed here)

 

If a crime were committed, you would expect the authorities to act accordingly and investigate.

If that crime was caught on video you’d think it would be difficult for the perpetrator to avoid justice.

If that crime was an act of premeditated violence then you would expect the authorities to be most vigorous in their pursuit of a conviction.

If the person who committed that crime was clearly identified and a pattern of behaviour established you’d think it would be an open and shut case.

If all of the above were true in respect of a single case then one could safely assume there would be little work for the police and CPS to do and justice would be served without delay.

JG

Jane (Miller) Goring

You’d be wrong.

You’d be wrong because the violent assault was against a sab, someone just trying to protect wildlife in their spare time, uphold the law for genuinely altruistic reasons. You’d be wrong because the person who committed the crime was a fox hunter. You’d be wrong because that person was very wealthy. You’d be wrong because that person was part of the Goring hotel dynasty, a favourite with the Queen and regularly attended by Lords and other aristocratic hunt supporters. You be wrong because there does indeed seem to be different set of laws, one for ordinary people like you, me and the vast majority of the population, and another set for those wealthy enough to have friends in the right places.

We all know the Hunting Act is a poorly written piece of legislation and difficult to get convictions due to this and we know not all police forces are even interested in policing it, however this isn’t the Hunting Act. This is a simple case of assault, with a weapon against a person engaging in non-violent direct action. The police have said they won’t be prosecuting Jane Goring due to lack of evidence. Now I’m no legal expert but I’m fairly certain that Jane has committed an offence firstly by using her horse as a weapon and then striking someone violently with her riding whip SEVENTEEN times. A person who had stepped in to save another from being ridden down. All of this was captured by various cameras and the video is clear.

How much evidence do the police need?

If this isn’t a case of extreme bias by Sussex Police then I’m 7 foot tall.

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If you’re in any doubt watch the video below.

 

More on Jane Goring here.

So, we’re only a few weeks into the main hunting season and it’s all kicking off already. We’re getting the usual hunt violence, illegal killing and inconsistent policing, which will be my focus on this blog.

If you’re a follower you’ll already know we’ve been trying to break down the historical differences between the police and those in wildlife protection and, by-and-large we’ve had some success. Bedfordshire police are acting on violence shown by the hired hunt thugs and starting to understand the reality of hunting within the county. While they may not be able to arrest the hunters themselves due to the poorly written legislation they aren’t interfering with our operations to oppose them.

However the same cannot be said for other forces across the country. A couple of weeks ago we sabbed the Puckeridge Hunt, Tim Bonner’s (CEO so called Countryside Alliance) home hunt (full report here) and the police on the day showed a combination of naivety and ignorance. They were naive in that they should never have accepted a ride on the back of a hunt terrier man’s quad bike because it looks very bad for them and puts into question their impartiality (especially when terrier men have no legitimate role in a trail hunt) and ignorant of the laws that were in question on the day. Claiming they have powers to take your details is of course complete nonsense (and we told them so) and asking us to leave private land is also a civil matter, it’s nothing to do with the police.

I explained the situation to them regarding the difference between criminal (illegal hunting) and civil (trespass) and we were exercising our right as citizens to prevent the criminal offence from taking place by trespassing. I don’t believe Hertfordshire Police were acting in bias of the hunt, the officers that attended were just not equipped with the right knowledge to make a reasonable call and unfortunately made bad snap decisions based on preconceived historical prejudice. I’ll be discussing the matter further with Herts rural WCO in due course.

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Herts Police being lied to (probably).

If you read though the report from other sab groups around the country some areas have what can only be described as truly biased forces. There’s forces are openly acting as a private security service and facilitating illegal hunting by their very actions. Norfolk Police would appear to be one of those forces. Our colleagues at Norfolk & Suffolk Hunt Sabs are fighting a constant battle not only against the hunters but also the local police force. Last weekend Norfolk Police arrested a sab at a meet of the Dunston Harriers for Aggravated Trespass.

The offence is as follows: A person commits the offence of aggravated trespass if he trespasses on land [in the open air] and, in relation to any lawful activity which persons are engaging in or are about to engage in on that or adjoining land [in the open air], does there anything which is intended by him to have the effect—

(a) of intimidating those persons or any of them so as to deter them or any of them from engaging in that activity,

(b) of obstructing that activity, or

(c) of disrupting that activity.

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Norfolk Police riding on hunt terrier man’s quad bike.

Considering the sabs had earlier made calls to the police of illegal hunting which were completely ignored (they had already illegally killed a Hare and the hounds were covered in that animals blood) their claims could easily be justified and therefore the above offence cannot be considered by the police officers. In spite of this an arrest was made, the sab removed in handcuffs and spent several hours locked up in a cell.

Norfolk Police have also released the following statement:

Police were called to farmland in Roudham at about 12.20pm yesterday, Saturday 18 November, following reports of a confrontation involving two groups.

Officers attended and while at the scene, were advised of allegations that a hare had been killed. Both parties were spoken to and a search was carried out. No evidence was found. Anyone with evidence is asked to contact police on 101.

We are aware of images on social media of our officers on a quad bike. While recognising the concerns, the officers had been searching in fields and got into difficulty due to the muddy terrain. At this point, they were assisted by the landowner using a quad bike which at no point travelled on a public road or highway. 

This statement just stinks quite frankly. Regardless of whether the officers were on a public road or not it still shows a level of collusion with the hunt in question. It would also be a question as to whether the police would be insured to be riding around on such a vehicle in that manner. Also what evidence did they think they were going to find of a hare which had been pulled apart by a pack of hounds? The Dunston Harriers could have made up any old tale and it seems the police would have believed them. Remember in the case of AT the burden falls on the prosecution to prove that the activity being interfered with was legal, and in this case a claim had already been made to the contrary which was insufficiently investigated. (See similar case explained here)

Please contact Norfolk Police to complain.

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PCC Lorne Green: opccn@norfolk.pnn.police.uk

Another force which appears to be openly biased is Sussex Police. At the opening meet of the Crawley a& Horsham Hunt a saboteur was assaulted by huntsmen using their horses as weapons, a common tactic for hunts. Bearing my this particular hunt have been convicted in the past of illegal hunting its not a massive leap of faith to assume they would continue to do so. In this case the sab was arrested for assault on the hunters and – you’ll like this, criminal damage to the hunters pocket. Take a look at the video.

It’s very clear that the huntsman on the horse was acting aggressively to the sab and the sab was only trying to defend himself. In such instances serious injury and potentially worse can occur if the sab was knocked to the ground and trampled by the horse, he, and those with him had every right to take whatever action was required to keep themselves safe. It speaks volumes that when sabs or monitors make calls to the police very little is done, if anything at all and yet even when the hunters are the perpetrators of the crime the police will act swiftly in coming to their defence. Time for some more complaints.

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PCC Katey Bourne: pcc@sussex-pcc.gov.uk

This level of inconsistent policing simply cannot be allowed to continue. We all know the Hunting Act needs strengthening but in the mean time we need to have a national policing initiative which will allow an even handed approach to all concerned along with better understanding of the laws in place. Forces showing an obvious bias should come under increased scrutiny and those responsible removed from their positions. Bias from various forces in nothing new and no doubt it will continue but with the overwhelming support of the British public we can get things changed so start emailing, commenting and tweeting, if its something the police don’t like it’s bad PR.

There seems to be a worrying trend at the moment with regards to the hunts, their employees and supporters towards inflicting physical violence on those who oppose them. That was my original opening line to this addition of my blog but then it occurred to me I’d written something similar before. The violence it seems, has never really gone away and at any time people involved in the fight against illegal hunting could well end up in hospital or even worse and it certainly wouldn’t be the first time. Over the last 2 weekends running sabs have been hospitalised by people attached to the hunts. I’m sure that pre-ban things were much worse however one would hope we’d have moved on from those days but then again you can never assume a leopard will change its spots and if you revel in the suffering of a sentient mammal then by definition you’re a violent person and one should expect violence when dealing with them.

The first incident involved the Essex and Suffolk hunt on the 7th November where sabs were attacked by hunt employees wielding spades and bats. This lead to 2 sabs needing hospital treatment and in return the hunt got a visit the following week from several groups from the surrounding area who turned out to put their collective spanners in the works of the wildlife killers in a show solidarity for their colleagues. Our group was one of those present and despite the appalling conditions our operation thwarted any attempt by them to hunt. That didn’t stop the Whip from trying to run me down with his horse and he got very angry when a hound made a fool of him. All caught on video and you’ll see the type of people we deal with on a weekly basis. Their language alone is enough to make a sailor blush.

More seriously on the same week we visited the Essex & Suffolk, sabs from South Coast Hunt Sabs were taking on the  South Down & Eridge Foxhounds. Known trouble makers at the hunt ambushed a small group of sabs and in the ensuing struggle a veteran sab was slashed across the hand with a knife resulting in the injury you see below. Another sabs had a tooth knocked out which will require corrective dental treatment. The attackers, like most bullies were sent packing when more sabs arrived and took control of the situation.

The moment these people start carrying weapons like knives and feel they’re able to use them and not face the full consequences of the law then it will only be a matter of time before another sab pays the ultimate price. My information is that Sussex Police acted very poorly and neglected to arrest the perpetrator there and then and just continued to harass those sabs present. An ambulance had to called by the sabs themselves as the police seemed incapable or unwilling to offer any support to the victims. Finally after a surge of pressure on social media it seems an arrest has been made. I’m fairly sure had the boot been on the other foot there would have been multiple arrests and many doors needing new hinges.

The wound cause by a knife wielding terrier man.

The wound cause by a knife wielding terrier man.

The excuse from the pro-hunt lobby was pure Jackanory, an explanation so laughable it beggars belief. The injury was self inflicted by breaking the window of an older hunt supporters car.

Surgery to repair nerve and muscle damage took place yesterday (16/11/15) and both myself and our group wish him a speedy recovery. Sabs are made of fairly tough stuff and no doubt he’ll be back on the front line defending our wildlife as soon as he can.

One thing is for certain, all these incidents and the general behaviour of all those connected to the hunts demonstrates that we’re being effective. Why resort to these tactics if we’re of no consequence to them?

We’re winning the war.